xmlns:og='http://ogp.me/ns#' PrepperCon Radio Episode 33, 5 18 16 Survival Myths and Mistakes with Cache Valley Prepper ~ The Prepared Guy

Friday, May 20, 2016

PrepperCon Radio Episode 33, 5 18 16 Survival Myths and Mistakes with Cache Valley Prepper

Don't believe everything you see, hear or read on TV or the internet.  Don't be misled by survival cable TV show 'experts'.  Cache Valley Prepper joins us to help dispel common and not so common myths and mistakes of survival and emergency preparedness.

A survival mindset should not simply be associated with wilderness survival.  Take it with you everywhere you go.

Below is the email collaboration with myself and Cache Valley Prepper in preparation for this show.  I have left the notes in their rough format.  I think you'll find them informative and entertaining.

Some of these are some pretty heavy Prepper specific topics.  Which is great.  I think we should at least, at the first of the show, touch on the more basic survival myths concerning water, shelter, tourniquets etc.  These will only take a short while.  Maybe we focus on these during the first segment(s) then get serious with these items during the last segment?

I was actually wondering about that and should have asked specifically. That makes sense and is perfectly fine. Would you like to confine it specifically to wilderness survival? If so, that would be fine, I have plenty to contribute on that subject and can reuse this content no problem.

Sorry for the long comment, but this an important investment for the long haul. I understand that the heavier subject matter takes longer to discuss ... curse of knowledge. I notice in lectures that when I get heavy duty technical questions, a few of the people light up, but a larger number glaze over. You'll have to guide me as to what degree we are speaking to the masses with the radio show. I don't know the demographics of the listener base and in what direction you are taking it. Those are steering decisions and don't I don't want to tug the show off mission. If you want it geared toward new listeners, I'm totally good with that and don't want be a high-maintenance collaborator with an agenda who overvalues his contribution. In this capacity, I can fulfill my mission while still helping you achieve yours.

Here are some of my thoughts:
Water: Don't rely solely on boiling to purify water.  You don't have to boil water for 10 minutes to kill all the microbes.  Bringing it to boiling temp does the trick.  Also, boiling water doesn't make all water safe as it doesn't address chemicals and other possible contaminants.  Stagnant or dirty water needs more treatment/filtration. 

Absolutely. I have trained with a water quality engineer. You don't always fuel available to boil, nor is it always safe to make a fire, especially in E&E and urban scenarios. I have some tips for boiling, solar, chemical disinfection methods. I built a chemical water disinfection kit that can is perfectly sized for pocket survival kits. It uses two MRE beverage bag which are as close as you'll get to a sterile material (multi-use) in the field and withstands higher temperatures (multi-use) than a Whirlpak bag that I install Gorilla tape-reinforced eyelets in so they can be carried as a water bladder or hung to avoid punctures and package with 2% Iodine Tincture (multi-use) in an opaque 3ml & 6ml eye dropper bottles and vitamin C, foil packed chlorine-based tablets and/or foil packed potassium permganate (extremely multi-use.) I have also built kits to improvise a chlorine bleach stock solution from calcium hypochlorite pool shock granules because of the shelf life issues with bleach. For boiling I use a WAPI to conserve fuel. I can explain these in simple terms, but guide me if I'm getting into techniques that are too advanced. I also have some water purification cheat sheets that I plan to make available for free download and eventually for purchase in various form factors on water-resistant materials and with the mini water kits that explain all this stuff because it's pretty easy to do as long as you have instructions. Without instructions, there is no way the average prepper will remember the procedures and formulas under extreme stress ... I have seen SF guys will 4 million $ in training screw up super basic stuff when operating at far less than 100%.
Shelter:   Means having a roof over your head. It's better to have a bed and no roof over your head than a roof over your head an no bed.  You'll lose more body heat thru the ground.  Shelter can mean having a good goretex jacket, hat and appropriate clothing, including hiking boots and an emergency blanket. 

Good points all. The poly-backed space blankets are the ones to buy like Adventure Medical and SolKoa over straight Mylar. If hikers would wear clothing based on the nighttime lows in the Mountains as opposed to the days, many fewer would succumb to exposure. Cache County has cold sinks that can be 60 degrees colder than surrounding areas, so I'd add that picking your camp site is pretty important too.
Survival:  You can't learn everything you need by watching Bear Grylls.  You'll actually more likely get yourself killed faster.  Survival is not romantic.  Survival is about staying out of situations that can get you killed.  You don't need to worry about survival unless you're going on a major adventure of some kind, false.  Even an overnight trip or day hike can quickly turn into an emergency situation. A helicopter or SAR is not always gonna be able to rescue you in time.  

lol ... especially that guy ... oh, man. If we knew about emergencies ahead of time, they wouldn't be emergencies.

Tourniquiets: This is a double agent myth.  Use a tourniquet to stop severe bleeding.  But, don't use a tourniquet unless it's the last resort, that it will do more damage than good. I still see this myth all over the internet.  This has been proven to be false.  Do not apply a tourniquet for bleeding that can be controlled by direct pressure but if questionable use a tourniquet.  Should not be a last resort measure.  Will not do more damage than good. 

Absolutely. It's also one of the most easily-improvised pieces of first aid kit. I carry one that I can also use for multiple other applications in case I don't need it for it's intended purpose. 

Survival Mistakes That Will Get You Killed:
All guns, no groceries. For newbie survivalists, this a seductive mistake. Guns are sexy, shooting is fun, and all you have to do is slap down some plastic to get them.It's true that a physical threat can kill you in a hurry and that having the ability to defend yourself should be a priority, but there is a tendency to invest a disproportionate amount of total available resources in arms and ammo as oppose to food, water shelter, medical and other equally important preparations. I think they really believe that they can get anything else they need through force of arms. I think about the oldest joke in LDS emergency preparedness is, "Bishop, I don't need food storage ... I have a ward list and a 12ga." I have been hearing this joke for decades. But prepare along those lines puts these guys in the position of being starving and armed ... eying the stores of much better prepared individuals who are often much, much better armed and trained and are expecting them ... and have often been preparing for this eventuality for decades and are very well networked. The reality is that the all guns, no groceries crowd will be trading guns and ammo for food and medicine at pennies on the dollar. Why food? Because meal sized shelf-stable portions of it quickly becomes the gold standard of barter when infrastructure has been interrupted long-term.
Break Glass In Case of Emergency Kit as opposed to a working kit that you use daily that probably contains a few BGICoE items. "Break Glass In Case of Emergency Gear" presents you with some built-in obstacles that make it less-effective. Disposable space blankets are a great example of the fragility inherent in BGICoE gear and how it's lack of effectiveness contributes to avoidable deaths. I'm not talking about the reusable rip-stop combat casualty blankets or grommeted rip-stop camper's blankets, I'm talking about the ones that are Mylar only. Because they are BGICoE, there are built-in obstacles to using them:
  • The first obstacle is BCICoE packaging. You'll never get them back into the package they came in, so you can only use it once ...
  • which increases the cost. It's disposable and most folks have limited financial resources so that becomes an obstacle to using the space blanket.
  • Cost per use makes people less likely to train with it. It's expensive, so you don't want to crack it open and use it. You fight the way you train applies to any stressful emergency situation. If you don't use it training, you aren't likely to use it for real.
  • The sum of these obstacles to  BGICoE gear, cognitive dissonance becomes more of a factor. 
Because they don't open them in training, they often won't use them in an emergency. It might seem obvious if your head is clear because your belly is full, you haven't lost any blood, don't have any broken bones and aren't afraid. You are try and hypothermia isn't setting in. In an emergency, they are seldom operating at 100%. Creates obstacles to use  create Many folks don't want to admit they are in an emergency  as admission of defeat or failure and want to keep pushing as opposed to saving themselves.
Carry your restraint escape gear all bundled together someplace that almost certainly will be taken from you at the outset of capture ... like in your wallet or the watch band of your expensive watch or sticking a handcuff key underneath your Rolex with a glue dot. I am seeing all these kits in wallets or in credit card form factor. You might as well strap to a knife or a firearm because someone who takes you prisoner is about as likely to let you keep your weapons as your wallet or your Rolex. A lot of the guys teaching restraint escape or designing kits are current or former soldiers or LEOs and because they don't take wallets and watches from they people they restrain, that criminals or enemies won't either, but they aren't like you. They have different goals and beliefs than you. They don't think like you.
Carrying your personal survival kit in your pack instead of in your pockets. People get fixated on the go bag, bail out bag, bug out bag, GHB, GOOD bag or INCH bag but bags tend to get separated from us. We set them down to rest, sleep or when we travel or arrive. Critical survival and recovery gear should be carried in your pockets, attached to your belt or otherwise strapped to your body so it is with you when things go sideways. Which firearm is the most effective? The one you have with you when you need it. Just like sidearm won't help you if it's home in your sock drawer, if you have your backpack, you are not in a 
No turnout bag. Every effective first responder has a turnout bag because they have to be able to get ready in a hurry and be sure than they didn't forget anything. Every prepper should have one at least one for each family member too. You have your bugout bag, but what about all the stuff that doesn't go in the bag? I organize them by role. I have a gray one and one for my role as a volunteer first responder and then I have modules for specific threats such as home defense, a medical emergency, a CBRN incident and so on. I also have roll out bags for organizational use, resupply, tailgate medicine and so on.

You will most likely be killed by a bullet. With few exceptions, you are statistically far more likely to be killed by microbes as the direct result of violence. Should you learn to defend yourself? Absolutely. Do most people killed in disasters die violently?. Absolutely not ... historically, not even in most wars. Far more die from disease, exposure and trauma related to the event. In the outdoors, you are more likely to be killed by another human than by a wild animal, but accidents and exposure are still greater risks.
Survivalists prepare for a singular threat. The Doomsday Preppers TV show used a formula designed to portray survivalists as all obsessed with single threat to the exclusion of all others. Prior to that show, I knew of very few preppers who were preparing for a singular threat. The vast majority of people who do that are people who learned about prepping from watching TV shows like Doomsday Preppers. Ironically, the show seemed to have backfired on on the producers. They underestimated the ability of their viewers to see through their agenda and ended up bringing large numbers of people around to the fact that they need to prepare. But now there are a lot of new folks who largely learn about emergency preparedness to 
That we can foresee future disasters or emergencies. Mankind has a lousy track record of predicting disastrous events. Taleb noted that you can crack open any history book and it will read as a list of Black Swans ... non-linear events that we failed to predict. He is a risk manager and singles out economists in particular, but history books aren't just full of economic events that we failed to predict. He is right that while we cannot predict nonlinear events, we can measure fragility and replace it with antifragility. What people really ought to become prepared for is for volatility and the unknown. If we know enough about a an event to be able to predict it, it's no longer an emergency ... just one more thing we can plan for.
You only need to prepare for some predetermined amount of time ... like 72-hours, 7 days, 14 days, 90 days. Depending on the nature, severity, scope and duration of a catastrophic event or events, life may not return to normal along your time line. Interdepartmental turf wars have led to huge delays in the past. Other countries are prepared for risks that we are at risk for, yet ignore.
Those are some I see as some of the most relevant. Dumbest would probably be things like ...
EMP isn't really a threat, either scientifically or because it's impossible for anyone but a nuclear power to carry out.
No need to prepare, that's why we have 911 and FEMA.
If you have to defend yourself you should shoot, shovel and shut up.
There is no longer a nuclear threat.
All survivalists have a screw loose.
I'll let you two choose which ideas from the three of us get brought up in the show. If you'd like me to bring some up specifically, please let me know beforehand.

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